Friday, February 27, 2015

Arguing with Liberals

“If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.” (Psalm 29:9)


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“It’s like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it’s victorious.”
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Ever try arguing with a liberal? It’s pointless trying to use facts to educate people who have been taught that the truth doesn’t exist! They will always ignore your facts and counter them with emotive feelings and anecdotes.
EXCUSES, EXCUSES!
The state education leftist propaganda indoctrination system teaches abuses kids with the false notion that they’re entitled to unearned self-esteem, and to not be offended by having their feelings hurt by the often-painful truth. Cause and effect are ignored, because it’s always someone or some thing else’s fault: enforced predeterminism excuses are at the root of all their favorite victimology sales scenarios.
When “self-esteem” (like “respect!”) is demanded but not earned, the demanders are insisting they are entitled to have rights without the concomitant corollary responsibility for having to earn them – exactly like ALL criminals always assert!
Criminal Marxists insist: “You earned stuff I didn’t bother to, SO YOU OWE ME!
The criminal negligents in the ‘education system’ only indoctrinate children in how to be better criminals!
And criminality retards children, because it keeps them dependent on others.
The truth is that the State is a conspiracy designed not only to exploit, but above all to corrupt its citizens.”—Leo Tolstoy
Here’s an obvious difference between the left and right: remember the old adage about “Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day, but teach him how to fish, and you’ve fed him for a lifetime!“?
Right-thinking, civilized and law-abiding folk are all for promoting individual self-reliant responsibility, and so want to teach people how to fish (fend) for them selves, while leftist proglodytes really only want their victims to become dependent on them, as slaves are to a masteri.e:
Vote for us again, or you won’t get tomorrow’s fish – CAPISCE!?”
Liberalism is extortion, bribery, and blackmail all in one! Whee!
Criminals are infantile delinquents (worse than juvenile delinquents) because by imitating children and acting childishly, by posing as perpetually demanding infants, they can often play on their victims’ instincts to defend and educate children. Children are the only people in society who really are – at least temporarily – entitled to have rights without responsibilities. Criminals like to bask in the false perpetual extension of their pretended childhoods, routinely and slanderously accusing their victims of being “unfair!” to them.
In short, criminals only ‘teach’ victimology and how to be better extortionists, to children.
So, to liberals, there really are no evil crimes nor evil criminals, because everyone’s really only a helpless victim – of “society,” “products of their environments” (what’d Karl Marx himself call it – ‘Historical Predeterminism’ or something?) and/or “Slaves of Allah!”
And besides, to them, life’s too complex for anyone to ever really understand cause and effect, so, “since” all facts are therefore really only opinions anyway, any given liberals’ entirely fact-free opinion is the diversely opposite equal of any of those silly conservatives’ objective facts!
And THAT’S why everyone is equally entitled to unearned self-esteem! Whee!
(And remember, kids: “There’s No Wrong Answers”)!
Ever try arguing with a liberal? It’s pointless trying to use facts to educate people who have been taught that the truth doesn’t exist!
They’ve really only declared a confession of non-compus-mentis!
And their favorite deflection is the childish critical thinking logical fallacy called the Argumentum Tu Quoque, which only amounts to trying to compare two unrelated wrongs in order to pretend to make one of them into a right. “Two Wrongs Make a Right”:
There’s no evil crime nor evil criminals because we (i.e: you) all do it, too!Whee!”
Beyond that, their crime is all about the objectification: victim-blaming “defensively pre-emptive” slander.
They embrace the slanderous victim-blaming attack-first criminal “philosophy” that the best “defense” is a good offense, to keep their opponents on the defensive so they will remain emotionally off-balance and so never be able to (counter-)attack ‘first!’
Only lying thieves (fraud being the most basic form of criminal theft, the theft of the Truth) slanderously pretend their victims are too dumb to be educated!
The “elites” – including the “education” elites – are cowardly masochist traitors to rationality and civilization, who always want to form ever-larger gangs to protect them selves; they are all about the double-standards of subjectivism, and so oppose universal objectivity; they want rights without responsibilities, and so must offload their responsibilities onto their victims.
The reason they embrace might-made group “rights,” is both offensive and defensive: they can always assert they are “defensively protecting” others if and when they can make even a tenuous connection between some others at least somewhat similar to them selves who,  somewhere else, at some other time, were oppressed by some other people who were sort of like YOU; in which case, YOU OWE THEM!
The corollary is that if and when they get caught for their crimes, they can always use the group idol as an alibi-excuse to dilute their own culpability:
“I didn’t do it! ONLY ‘the GROUP’ did it! Whee!”
(Substitute “The System,” &/or “The Procedures” or your choice of idolatry for “The Group!”)
I’m pretty sure the main strategy AND subsequent tactics of liberals is to always generalize to dilute personal responsibility. It’s why they endorse group rights and responsibilities and absolutely hate factual cause-and-effect specifics. Generalizations are lies and exaggerations used to hide all the specific details of their individual criminal culpability. And they also get to blame specific victims for general group membership responsibilities, too!
They are criminals.
And, as such liberals like to assert that:
Criminals have rights, too!”
Well, actually: - NO, they don’t.
See, the Law is a social contract, where people agree to not attack (thereby innocent) others, first.
From agreeing to this, we get our only real right (to not be attacked first) and we have our only real concomitant, corollary responsibility (to not attack others first).
But when one chooses to break that contract and avoid one’s contracted responsibility BY attacking others first, one also thereby gives up one’s own right to not therefore be defensively (counter-)attacked by one’s attempted victims, second.
That counter-attacking second bit, was formerly known as “JUSTICE.” Criminals also used to be known as “Out-Laws” because their own choices had placed them outside the protections of the Law; it was therefore open season on them.
And even the courts do it, sometimes years later, when the perp is no longer a clear and present danger, because, as even the falsely divided civil and criminal laws agree, one must pay for what one takes.
The only job of any court or judge is to determine who started it, and to punish the instigating aggressors for their (even if failed) attempts; after all, it’s the thought (intent) which counts! And even “only attempted” crimes, are still crimes.
Any court or judge which refuses to do so, has abdicated their position of authority, and have become criminally negligent.
Basically, liberals are masochists: always trying to pretend to “control” their fears, BY causing the most worst-case-scenario pains they fear.
There’s no perversion or crime a liberal won’t Submit to or at least try to “compromise” with first. They seem to believe that it’s prudent, shrewd, realistic ‘realpolitik’ to rush in first, before some other fools beat them to it!
I believe even the most willfully self-blinded, obtuse criminal negligent (muslim, liberal) is almost NEVER really focused on chasing nebulous “hope and change” (say, via dopamine output stimulation) as they so-often pretend to others, so much as they are avoiding pain (or, in their cases, more specifically avoiding the fear of pain – including the fear of having to face those fears to actually discover and cancel the root causes of the mistakes and unsolved problems which cause the pains they fear).
Even the most hardened drug addicts quickly become acclimatized to their drug of choice, and so require more and more and more of it to reach the same state of obliviousness, just as people who choose the relief from work tedium of a beach vacation quickly tire of the scene, as their minds automatically prioritize information by level of potential danger, and can be counted on to instinctively cast about for more problems to solve, more pains to avoid.
Such is the nature of the thought process itself, whether they want to honestly admit it or dishonestly try to avoid it and distract and deflect others into not-noticing they are doing so; they find millenniae of hard-wired evolutionary learning isn’t so easily avoided by even the stupidest monkey.
So basically, everything liberals do is a deliberate attempt to pretend to ‘prove’ themselves to be mentally incompetent, so they won’t have any responsibility to think for them selves about anything. We should simply let them ‘prove’ their point, declare them non-compus mentis, and move on to other problems, while striving to improve the education system for all future generations.
He that is good at making excuses is seldom good for anything else.”
-Benjamin Franklin-
(But there’s some good news, too: People are born tabula rasa - as blank slates – so it’s plain to see that liberals have actually been trained to be stupid and evil, by other people who were also trained to be stupid and evil; each generation trying to outdo the previous ones in the depths of evil stupidity to which they sink)! Criminality is nurtured not nature.
And so, when arguing with liberals, please always remember this simple rule of thumb, kids:
Truth welcomes scrutiny. Falsehood demands tolerance.
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In fact, lefties always sound retarded (hence, the accuracy of such terms as “leftardation,” “libtarded,” etc.) BECAUSE all they’re ever really doing is trying to think up alibi-EXCUSES FOR THEFT, so of course their language has to employ all the critical thinking logical fallacy evasions, distractions, deflections, euphemisms, and metaphors (i.e: lies) in order to sell it to sane people, (and all crimes are forms of theft); i.e: “Wealth Redistribution” and that of course requires lies, like I just said, most often in the form of evasive metaphors and euphemisms (like for the best instance example, the term “Wealth Redistribution” itself)!
Openly, honestly endorsing stating one’s “Theft is Good!” assertions usually won’t work, when trying to sell it to sane people.
If they were just plain stupid, they’d have to get some things right every now and then, just by random chance – but they don’t, because they have to know what’s right, in order to so perfectly oppose it all the time!
Since evil leftist masochists are always hell-bent on becoming victims of worst-case scenarios, they “project” onto and slander-blame their victims, because their first emotion is fear of getting caught for their crimes.
So subjective double-standards are what they’re all about! Deliberately! For them, No objective Truth allowed!
Most of their sub-sequent forced predeterminism and group-rights idolatry is also only an excuse to “defensively” either do nothing, or to enjoy a perpetual excuse to attack others first, even if only by having the false right to delinquently force their own self-reliant responsibilities onto groups of “privileged/guilty” (innocent) others.
And of course they’ll always try to co-opt the largest gang, the government, into helping them with their wealth redistribution theft schemes.
As Thomas Jefferson noted:
It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself. Subject opinion to coercion: whom will you make your inquisitors?
And yet deliberate “error” (i.e: willfully intended, criminal negligence) isn’t really ‘error’ at all, is it?
The motto of criminally negligent leftists everywhere must be: “There’s No Money In Solutions!” (So: Please Give Generously – AGAIN!)
They will always refuse to solve temporary problems with easy, simple and permanent solutions, in favor of not-solving them, spinning and pretending they are “eternal crises” with only temporary, band-aid “management therapies” available, in order to exploit the almost infinite number of symptoms unsolved problems generate.
Unfortunately, there’s only so many symptoms of The Golden Rule of Law (which simply defines all situational morality as “Do Not Attack First!”) one can address with lesser, circumstantial “laws” of morality, only so many right answers, before one must veer off into exploiting the almost infinite number of sorta almost right,(but really wrong) answers, in order to keep up the pretense that the legislators are actually doing something responsible to earn their pay and to continue to enjoy the right to govern others – a point which, after whence reached, societies decline into criminality and empires fall into ruin.n.

14 comments:

Uncle Vladdi said...

Yo!

Uncle Vladdi said...

Yo back atcha, Harbs!


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Uncle Vladdi said...

Liberals prefer to look backwards to pretend to think their crimes weren't really crimes at all, but only moral reactions to others' crimes against themselves - as all criminals always do. At most, they prefer to pretend that there are no real crimes or criminals, because "we (i.e: you) all do it, too!" This argumentum tu quoque critical thinking logical fallacy is the basis for their endless immoral relativism (victim-blaming slander) stance. Everything they do is designed to promote criminals as victims and perversion as just retaliation!

Uncle Vladdi said...

I don't believe that the "tabula rasa" theory has been conclusively proved. There is obviously some interplay between biology and environment. I suspect however that the environment has changed biology such that subsequent generations become even more susceptible, or invested in cognitive dissonance. Other than that, I'm in complete agreement with this article.

Uncle Vladdi said...

Regarding the "all humans are all born tabula rasa theory" we studied it in detail in bio-psychology classes in University - only human babies are born with absolutely NO survival instincts whatsoever - place a (seeing) human baby on a sheet of wholly transparent glass over a deep pit with only one apparent bridge across it underneath them, and the human baby will wander off into what it SHOULD have perceived as the abyss; control animals of all other species will stay on the bridge or not attempt to cross at all. That's pretty definitive.


And, while I, too, would love to give criminals a biological excuse for their desires and actions, I simply can't because all the evidence points the other way.


For instance, they prefer to pretend cause-and-effect don't exist (or they are too stupid - as it's "too complex" - or that they are too "mentally ill" to understand it) but these are just more attempts at using the predeterminism/predestination alibi excuse: because just look at how they react when it really matters, in potential life and death situations, like for instance each and every day when they drive their cars to a four-way stop-sign traffic stop intersection! They perfectly understand the cause-and-effect sequencing of first to arrive and stop is the first to go, then second goes second, etc.


As for "mental illness" just read the short book, The Myth of Mental Illness by leading psychology founder Dr. Thomas Szazs on it: if it's not a neurological/chemical/genetic (i.e: "hardware") problem, then it's only an indoctrination / habituation / (reversable) conditioning / training / socialization / acclimatization / (i.e: software) problem!


It's just another easy alibi- excuse for their crimes, to wit:


"I didn't do it! ONLY My BRAIN did it! Whee!"


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Uncle Vladdi said...

I'm familiar with the book but don't adhere to the simplification. I'm well aware how easily it is to lead someone into doing something that is not on their own best interest, and even to habituate someone into doing that over and over while being completely oblivious to the result. It may seem to the casual observer that a thief is acting in his or her own self interest, but that would mean that that observer has a materialist outlook just like the thief does.

I also don't wholly adhere to predeterminism. I think that whatever garners the most research grants/book sales/obedience to rhetoric is "the answer". I suspect that it is an interplay of both. There's a whole lot of money at stake in "the right answer".

I suspect that Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs also comes into play with the further one is down the food chain the more primitive the response.

A human infant does not even have a fully developed sense of "self" in relation to others. The process of self-differentiation can be interrupted at any phase for a narcissist or narcissist-enabler result. A biological defect can also contribute to this process. This is not my apologia for "defective people" who I don't actually want to either rule the world or reproduce only that when a society continues to churn them out, it is cognitive dissonance and otherwise not in the self-interest of society to exclude all possible scientific inquiry including that which assumes a disbelief in hard-won beliefs, like tabula rasa or predestination, or group-selection bias, or whether one's grandparents' diet may have an eventual tortuous effect on whether you vote this way or that way, as determined by alleles. Yes I did just finish reading this guy: http://www.unz.com/gnxp/genetics-of-why-finns-are-less-anxious-than-italians/?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=genetics-of-why-finns-are-less-anxious-than-italians

I also believe that expecting the best but preparing for the worst has justification, and when encountering a member of an historically materially marginalized group, I tend to hide my wallet.

Uncle Vladdi said...

LOL good choice, because it also seems pretty definitive that most "historically materially marginalized groups" (like, say, muslims) embody the Crime-Causes-Poverty meme.

Uncle Vladdi said...

I happen to agree with that meme even if I don't feel as if I am personally responsible for it. Given enough poverty, I'd be delighted to find myself a good crime. Working on it now! :)

Uncle Vladdi said...

Ha. It's interesting that the most naturally (environmentally) impoverished areas' peoples actually have the lowest crime-rates (factoring in that of course there's less to steal!) while areas which used to and could still support people but currently don't (see the Middle East, not including Israel, of course) seem, to have gotten that way BECAUSE of an indoctrinating crime-culture (specifically, to wit: Islam)!

Uncle Vladdi said...

PS: Is "Caprizchka" your real name, or are you just "capriciously" Polish or something LOL?

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PPS: Check this out! (Scary stuff)!

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/dosco59/ibplX08xUEQ/nOij1XW4MW4J

Uncle Vladdi said...

Oh yes. Caprizchka is my real name, Uncle Vladdi.

Uncle Vladdi said...

Well, I feel humbled. Obviously, "Uncle" is not my real first name, and Vladdi's a diminutive contraction.


But since I publish books "insulting" (exposing the truth about) a certain religion of thieves, it'll hafta do.


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Uncle Vladdi said...

It's not your real name????!!!

Uncle Vladdi said...

Oh, you were being sarcastic the first time, too LOL? Sometimes it's hard to tell in print on the Intraweb


;-)